http://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Frantik&feedformat=atomThe 3geez Wiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-28T17:47:11ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.27.0http://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=2109Main Page2011-02-09T08:51:18Z<p>Frantik: </p>
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== Topics ==<br />
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* Download the [[Honda brochures]]<br />
* Check out the [[:Category:How_To|How to guides]]<br />
* Read the [[stock specifications]]<br />
* See the [[available colors]]<br />
<br />
<br />
* List of [[OEM accessories]] for your 3gee<br />
* List of [[aftermarket accessories]] for your 3gee<br />
* List of [[hybrid modifications]] using parts other vehicles which fit your 3gee<br />
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* Differences between [[international markets]]<br />
* Differences between the various [[trim levels]]<br />
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<div>Download the '''Honda service manuals''' for the 3rd generation Accord. (Use ''right click, save as'' to save to your hard drive for later viewing)<br />
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*[http://3geez.wiki-tv.com/manuals/1986-89%20Accord%20Design.pdf 1986-89 Accord Design Manual (7MB)]<br />
*[http://3geez.wiki-tv.com/manuals/1986-89%20Accord%20Master%20Manual.pdf 1986-89 Accord Master Manual (32MB)]<br />
*[http://3geez.wiki-tv.com/manuals/1987%20Accord%20Supplement%20Manual.pdf 1987 Accord Supplement Manual (9MB)]<br />
*[http://3geez.wiki-tv.com/manuals/1988%20Accord%20Supplement%20Manual.pdf 1988 Accord Supplement Manual (11MB)]<br />
*[http://3geez.wiki-tv.com/manuals/1989%20Accord%20Supplement%20Manual.pdf 1989 Accord Supplement Manual (4MB)]<br />
*[http://3geez.wiki-tv.com/manuals/1989%20Accord%20Electrical%20Troubleshooting%20Manual.zip 1989 Accord Electrical Troubleshooting Manual (87MB)]</div>Frantikhttp://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=A20A3&diff=2078A20A32010-03-12T21:07:30Z<p>Frantik: Undo revision 2072 by Arthas (Talk)</p>
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<div>'''A20A3, A20A4, and BT'''<br />
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The A20A3, A20A4, and BT were the fuel injected versions of the A20A engines. They were run by Honda's PGM-FI system on a partial OBD-0 computer. Again, there is no real difference between the A20A3 and the A20A4 besides the A20A4 having a slightly higher power output because of not having emissions components (hp and tq numbers for A20A3 only). The A20A3 was offered in the 1984-1987 Honda Prelude 2.0Si, the 1985 and 1989 Honda Accord SE-i, and the 1986-1989 Honda Accord LX-i. The BT was the 1986 and pre-1986 version of the A20A3(86-87).<br />
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Specifications<br />
<br />
*PGM-FI <br />
*Displacement: 1955 cc/2.0 L <br />
*Bore: 3.26 in.<br />
*Stroke: 3.58 in.<br />
*Compression Ratio: 8:8:1(86-87),9:3:1(88-89)<br />
*Power: <br />
**1986-1987<br />
***110 hp @ 5500 rpm <br />
***114 ft/lb @ 4500 rpm <br />
**1988-1989<br />
***120 hp @ 5800 rpm<br />
***122 ft/lb @ 4000 rpm<br />
*EPA Fuel Economy<br />
**25 City/30 Highway (5-speed Manual)<br />
**23 City/29 Highway (4-speed Automatic)<br />
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[[Category:3G Accord Engines|A20A3]]</div>Frantikhttp://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=2077Main Page2010-03-12T21:07:06Z<p>Frantik: Protected "Main Page" [edit=sysop:move=sysop]</p>
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== Topics ==<br />
* Download the [[Honda service manuals]]<br />
* Download the [[Honda brochures]]<br />
* Check out the [[:Category:How_To|How to guides]]<br />
* Read the [[stock specifications]]<br />
* See the [[available colors]]<br />
<br />
<br />
* List of [[OEM accessories]] for your 3gee<br />
* List of [[aftermarket accessories]] for your 3gee<br />
* List of [[hybrid modifications]] using parts other vehicles which fit your 3gee<br />
<br />
<br />
* Differences between [[international markets]]<br />
* Differences between the various [[trim levels]]<br />
<br />
== Help ==<br />
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<div><big>'''Welcome to the [[3geez]] Wiki!</big><br />
<br />
''Complementing the [http://www.3geez.com 3geez.com] forums''<br />
<br />
'''See [[Special:Recentchanges|whats new!]]'''<br />
<br />
== Topics ==<br />
* Download the [[Honda service manuals]]<br />
* Download the [[Honda brochures]]<br />
* Check out the [[:Category:How_To|How to guides]]<br />
* Read the [[stock specifications]]<br />
* See the [[available colors]]<br />
<br />
<br />
* List of [[OEM accessories]] for your 3gee<br />
* List of [[aftermarket accessories]] for your 3gee<br />
* List of [[hybrid modifications]] using parts other vehicles which fit your 3gee<br />
<br />
<br />
* Differences between [[international markets]]<br />
* Differences between the various [[trim levels]]<br />
<br />
== Help ==<br />
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* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images Using Images]</div>Frantikhttp://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=How_to_upgrade_your_suspension&diff=2060How to upgrade your suspension2007-09-26T22:54:07Z<p>Frantik: /* Suspension Techniques */</p>
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<div>This article is intended to summarize the suspension upgrade options available as of 2007 for the third generation Accord. Unfortunately 3geez were never well supported by the aftermarket, and time only increases the rarity of many suspension parts. Lets take a look at what is available by component type.<br />
<br />
= Shocks =<br />
<br />
Shocks control the up and down movement of the car in conjunction with the springs. Ideally the shocks should be able to control the springs, otherwise excessive bounce is the result.<br />
<br />
=== Tokico HP (blue) ===<br />
* Claimed to be approximately 10% stiffer than stock.<br />
* Widely used by members of the 3geez community.<br />
* Most commonly paired with Neuspeed of H&R springs.<br />
* Not recommended for drops lower than ~1.5" and/or significantly stiff spring rates.<br />
* Can easily be found on eBay for a little over $200 for a complete set brand new. <br />
<br />
=== KYB GR2 ===<br />
* Claimed to be approximately 10% stiffer than stock. <br />
* User experience has suggested they may not be as stiff as Tokico and may be only a stock replacement.<br />
* Not recommended for drops lower than ~1.5" and/or significantly stiff spring rates.<br />
<br />
=== Bilstein ===<br />
* Shocks come from the factory at stock stiffness.<br />
* Can be revalved by Bilstein to any specification. Cost is about $350 a pair for the shocks, revalving and shipping.<br />
* Once revalved can handle most drop heights and spring rates.<br />
* Generally felt to be an acceptable solution for extreme drop heights and stiff spring rates.<br />
* Not widely used due to cost of revalving and lack of adjustability.<br />
<br />
=== Koni Special (red) ===<br />
* High quality adjustable-compression shocks.<br />
* Out of production and generally very difficult to find for sale even in used condition.<br />
* Can handle most drop heights and spring rates.<br />
* Widely felt to be the best bolt-on shock available.<br />
* Usage is limited mostly due to lack of availability.<br />
* Can be extensively modified by Koni at great cost - in the 100s of dollars per shock range (not including the shocks themselves). Services they will perform include:<br />
** Revalving<br />
** Shortening<br />
** Adding external compression adjustability.<br />
** Adding rebound adjustability (external as well)<br />
* Shocks sent to Koni for external adjustability modifications come back as "Koni Yellows"<br />
<br />
=== Retrofitted Solutions ===<br />
* Shocks from Civic years 1988-90 will fit with some modifications.<br />
* Shocks from Accord years 1990-93 will fit with some modifications.<br />
* Due to difficulty these options are not widely used. <br />
==== D2 Shock with integrated coilovers ====<br />
* Legend_master has installed a mixed set of D2 shocks and springs combination coilovers, using the fronts from a Civic and the rears from a 4th gen accord.<br />
* Cost was in the ballpark of $250 per wheel.<br />
<br />
= Springs = <br />
Due to limited availability of powerful shocks, most users chose to go with a 1.5" drop or less that is not significantly stiffer than stock. Neuspeed or H&R springs are the favorite among those using Tokico shocks.<br />
<br />
{| class="linedbox"<br />
! Brand !! Drop height !! Difference from stock stiffness (front/rear)<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Tokico=====<br />
|| 1" || 66% / 63%<br />
<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Suspension Techiques=====<br />
|| 1"|| 62% / 54%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Eibach Prokit=====<br />
|| 1"+ || 44% / -17%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Neuspeed / H&R=====<br />
|| 1.5" || 26% / 41% <br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Eibach Sportline=====<br />
|| 1.5"+ || 62% / -32%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====B&G=====<br />
|| 1.6" || 66% / 205%<br />
<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Progress=====<br />
|| 2" || 70% / 205%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Speed tech=====<br />
|| 2" || 73% / 196%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Sprint=====<br />
|| 2.25" || 66% / 192%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Ground Control=====<br />
|| adjustable || 61% / 214%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Dropzone coilovers=====<br />
|| adjustable || 213% / 300%<br />
|}<br />
<br />
= Camber Correction =<br />
Camber -- or the vertical the tilt of the wheels -- may need to be adjusted when lowering ride heights.<br />
There are various aftermarket camber kits available to correct camber.<br />
<br />
=== Prelude adjustable control arms ===<br />
* Front upper control arms from a second generation Prelude can be easily retrofitted for use with the third generation Accord.<br />
* Can be an inexpensive alternative to aftermarket front camber kits.<br />
<br />
= Sway bars =<br />
Sway bars act as springs which help control body roll. Even slightly larger bars can have a significant impact on handling.<br />
<br />
Third generation Accords come stock with a sway bar in the front. Higher end models have a larger front sway bar and an additional rear sway bar. <br />
<br />
{| class="linedbox"<br />
! colspan="2" |Stock sway bay sizes<br />
|-<br />
! colspan="2" |Front<br />
|-<br />
||86-87 || 20mm (approx 13/16”)<br />
|-<br />
||88-89 || 22mm (approx 7/8")<br />
|-<br />
! colspan="2" | Rear:<br />
|-<br />
||86-89 carb|| none<br />
|-<br />
||86-87 fuel injected|| 12mm (approx 15/32")<br />
|-<br />
||88-89 fuel injected|| 13mm (approx 1/2")<br />
|}<br />
<br />
=== Suspension Techniques ===<br />
* Front is 24mm, rear is 16mm.<br />
* Largest front sway bar available.<br />
* Includes polyurethane bushings.<br />
<br />
==== 4th Gen Rear ST Bar ====<br />
* The fouth generation Accord rear sway bar from ST can be retrofitted onto the 3rd generation accord. The bar is 21mm, significantly larger than any other bar available for the 3gee.<br />
<br />
=== Addco ===<br />
* Believed to be out of production, though may be available.<br />
* Front is 22mm (same as stock on 88-89), rear is 18mm.<br />
* Largest rear sway bar available.<br />
* Includes polyurethane bushings.<br />
* Rear bars do not work with disk brakes.<br />
<br />
=== Vigor rear sway bar ===<br />
* The rear sway bar from an Acura Vigor 92-95 can be fitted on a 3gee with minimal difficulty. <br />
* Rear bar is 16mm.<br />
* Can be an inexpensive alternative to aftermarket sway bars.<br />
<br />
= Upper strut tower bars =<br />
Due to the placement of the air box, carburetted models may have difficulty installing a front upper strut bar.<br />
<br />
=== DC ===<br />
* DC is the only company which made bolt-on strut tower bars for the third generation Accord. <br />
* No longer in production.<br />
<br />
=== Arospeed - WARNING: Does not fit 3geez ===<br />
* Arospeed sells a strutbar which is labeled as fitting third generation Accords. <br />
* This is an error and these bars will only bolt onto a fourth generation Accord. <br />
* Arospeed is aware of the issue but continues to attempt to sell the bars on eBay and their website. '''Avoid'''<br />
<br />
=== Custom solutions ===<br />
Various other strut bars, especially the 4th generation bar has been rumored to fit with some modifications. <br />
<br />
==== Justin's bars ====<br />
* User Justin86 occasionally makes his custom sets of strut bars and tie bars.<br />
<br />
= Lower tie bars =<br />
=== Justin's bars===<br />
* User Justin86 occasionally makes custom lower tie bars sets. <br />
* These are the only known sets which have been produced for the third generation Accord.<br />
<br />
= Polyurethane bushings =<br />
=== Prothane ===<br />
* Prothane makes a few bushings for the 3gee including<br />
** Front control arm bushing set (8.210-BL)<br />
** Rear control arm bushing set (8.312-BL)<br />
** Front strut rod(t/c rod, radius rod) set (8.1201-BL)<br />
** Complete front sway bar endlink set (8.401-BL)<br />
** Front lower shock bushing set (8.907-BL)<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category: How To]]</div>Frantikhttp://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=How_to_upgrade_your_suspension&diff=2059How to upgrade your suspension2007-09-26T21:55:14Z<p>Frantik: poly bushings</p>
<hr />
<div>This article is intended to summarize the suspension upgrade options available as of 2007 for the third generation Accord. Unfortunately 3geez were never well supported by the aftermarket, and time only increases the rarity of many suspension parts. Lets take a look at what is available by component type.<br />
<br />
= Shocks =<br />
<br />
Shocks control the up and down movement of the car in conjunction with the springs. Ideally the shocks should be able to control the springs, otherwise excessive bounce is the result.<br />
<br />
=== Tokico HP (blue) ===<br />
* Claimed to be approximately 10% stiffer than stock.<br />
* Widely used by members of the 3geez community.<br />
* Most commonly paired with Neuspeed of H&R springs.<br />
* Not recommended for drops lower than ~1.5" and/or significantly stiff spring rates.<br />
* Can easily be found on eBay for a little over $200 for a complete set brand new. <br />
<br />
=== KYB GR2 ===<br />
* Claimed to be approximately 10% stiffer than stock. <br />
* User experience has suggested they may not be as stiff as Tokico and may be only a stock replacement.<br />
* Not recommended for drops lower than ~1.5" and/or significantly stiff spring rates.<br />
<br />
=== Bilstein ===<br />
* Shocks come from the factory at stock stiffness.<br />
* Can be revalved by Bilstein to any specification. Cost is about $350 a pair for the shocks, revalving and shipping.<br />
* Once revalved can handle most drop heights and spring rates.<br />
* Generally felt to be an acceptable solution for extreme drop heights and stiff spring rates.<br />
* Not widely used due to cost of revalving and lack of adjustability.<br />
<br />
=== Koni Special (red) ===<br />
* High quality adjustable-compression shocks.<br />
* Out of production and generally very difficult to find for sale even in used condition.<br />
* Can handle most drop heights and spring rates.<br />
* Widely felt to be the best bolt-on shock available.<br />
* Usage is limited mostly due to lack of availability.<br />
* Can be extensively modified by Koni at great cost - in the 100s of dollars per shock range (not including the shocks themselves). Services they will perform include:<br />
** Revalving<br />
** Shortening<br />
** Adding external compression adjustability.<br />
** Adding rebound adjustability (external as well)<br />
* Shocks sent to Koni for external adjustability modifications come back as "Koni Yellows"<br />
<br />
=== Retrofitted Solutions ===<br />
* Shocks from Civic years 1988-90 will fit with some modifications.<br />
* Shocks from Accord years 1990-93 will fit with some modifications.<br />
* Due to difficulty these options are not widely used. <br />
==== D2 Shock with integrated coilovers ====<br />
* Legend_master has installed a mixed set of D2 shocks and springs combination coilovers, using the fronts from a Civic and the rears from a 4th gen accord.<br />
* Cost was in the ballpark of $250 per wheel.<br />
<br />
= Springs = <br />
Due to limited availability of powerful shocks, most users chose to go with a 1.5" drop or less that is not significantly stiffer than stock. Neuspeed or H&R springs are the favorite among those using Tokico shocks.<br />
<br />
{| class="linedbox"<br />
! Brand !! Drop height !! Difference from stock stiffness (front/rear)<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Tokico=====<br />
|| 1" || 66% / 63%<br />
<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Suspension Techiques=====<br />
|| 1"|| 62% / 54%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Eibach Prokit=====<br />
|| 1"+ || 44% / -17%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Neuspeed / H&R=====<br />
|| 1.5" || 26% / 41% <br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Eibach Sportline=====<br />
|| 1.5"+ || 62% / -32%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====B&G=====<br />
|| 1.6" || 66% / 205%<br />
<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Progress=====<br />
|| 2" || 70% / 205%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Speed tech=====<br />
|| 2" || 73% / 196%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Sprint=====<br />
|| 2.25" || 66% / 192%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Ground Control=====<br />
|| adjustable || 61% / 214%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Dropzone coilovers=====<br />
|| adjustable || 213% / 300%<br />
|}<br />
<br />
= Camber Correction =<br />
Camber -- or the vertical the tilt of the wheels -- may need to be adjusted when lowering ride heights.<br />
There are various aftermarket camber kits available to correct camber.<br />
<br />
=== Prelude adjustable control arms ===<br />
* Front upper control arms from a second generation Prelude can be easily retrofitted for use with the third generation Accord.<br />
* Can be an inexpensive alternative to aftermarket front camber kits.<br />
<br />
= Sway bars =<br />
Sway bars act as springs which help control body roll. Even slightly larger bars can have a significant impact on handling.<br />
<br />
Third generation Accords come stock with a sway bar in the front. Higher end models have a larger front sway bar and an additional rear sway bar. <br />
<br />
{| class="linedbox"<br />
! colspan="2" |Stock sway bay sizes<br />
|-<br />
! colspan="2" |Front<br />
|-<br />
||86-87 || 20mm (approx 13/16”)<br />
|-<br />
||88-89 || 22mm (approx 7/8")<br />
|-<br />
! colspan="2" | Rear:<br />
|-<br />
||86-89 carb|| none<br />
|-<br />
||86-87 fuel injected|| 12mm (approx 15/32")<br />
|-<br />
||88-89 fuel injected|| 13mm (approx 1/2")<br />
|}<br />
<br />
=== Suspension Techniques ===<br />
* Front is 24mm, rear is 16mm.<br />
* Largest front sway bar available.<br />
* Includes polyurethane bushings.<br />
<br />
=== Addco ===<br />
* Believed to be out of production, though may be available.<br />
* Front is 22mm (same as stock on 88-89), rear is 18mm.<br />
* Largest rear sway bar available.<br />
* Includes polyurethane bushings.<br />
* Rear bars do not work with disk brakes.<br />
<br />
=== Vigor rear sway bar ===<br />
* The rear sway bar from an Acura Vigor 92-95 can be fitted on a 3gee with minimal difficulty. <br />
* Rear bar is 16mm.<br />
* Can be an inexpensive alternative to aftermarket sway bars.<br />
<br />
= Upper strut tower bars =<br />
Due to the placement of the air box, carburetted models may have difficulty installing a front upper strut bar.<br />
<br />
=== DC ===<br />
* DC is the only company which made bolt-on strut tower bars for the third generation Accord. <br />
* No longer in production.<br />
<br />
=== Arospeed - WARNING: Does not fit 3geez ===<br />
* Arospeed sells a strutbar which is labeled as fitting third generation Accords. <br />
* This is an error and these bars will only bolt onto a fourth generation Accord. <br />
* Arospeed is aware of the issue but continues to attempt to sell the bars on eBay and their website. '''Avoid'''<br />
<br />
=== Custom solutions ===<br />
Various other strut bars, especially the 4th generation bar has been rumored to fit with some modifications. <br />
<br />
==== Justin's bars ====<br />
* User Justin86 occasionally makes his custom sets of strut bars and tie bars.<br />
<br />
= Lower tie bars =<br />
=== Justin's bars===<br />
* User Justin86 occasionally makes custom lower tie bars sets. <br />
* These are the only known sets which have been produced for the third generation Accord.<br />
<br />
= Polyurethane bushings =<br />
=== Prothane ===<br />
* Prothane makes a few bushings for the 3gee including<br />
** Front control arm bushing set (8.210-BL)<br />
** Rear control arm bushing set (8.312-BL)<br />
** Front strut rod(t/c rod, radius rod) set (8.1201-BL)<br />
** Complete front sway bar endlink set (8.401-BL)<br />
** Front lower shock bushing set (8.907-BL)<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category: How To]]</div>Frantikhttp://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=File:P1010332d.jpg&diff=2058File:P1010332d.jpg2007-09-25T23:01:33Z<p>Frantik: </p>
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<div>Color code: NH-502M<br />
<br />
== Examples ==<br />
<gallery><br />
Image:NH-502M.jpg<br />
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</gallery><br />
== See Also ==<br />
* [[OEM colors]]</div>Frantikhttp://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=File:NH-502M.jpg&diff=2041File:NH-502M.jpg2007-09-19T13:28:44Z<p>Frantik: </p>
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<div>[[Image:Photoshoot_009_%28Small%29.jpg|thumb|right|500px]]<br />
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<br />
'''1988 Honda Accord LX-i 5speed Sedan'''<br />
<br />
'''Engine Specifications:'''<br />
* Stock A20A3 Engine<br />
<br />
'''Engine Misc.:'''<br />
<br />
* Integra Cold Air Intake<br />
* removed A/C<br />
* removed P/S<br />
* Bosch Premium Spark plug wires<br />
* NGK PLUGS<br />
<br />
'''Turbocharger & Induction:'''<br />
<br />
* N/A<br />
'''Fuel & Tuning:'''<br />
<br />
* N/A<br />
<br />
'''Exhaust:'''<br />
<br />
* 89 accord coupe muffler fitted to sedan axle back<br />
<br />
'''Drivetrain:'''<br />
<br />
* 5 Speed<br />
* Stage 2 clutch<br />
<br />
'''Weight reduction & transfer:'''<br />
<br />
* N/A<br />
<br />
'''Suspension, wheels & tires:'''<br />
<br />
* shocks and springs need to be replaced<br />
* 2 NANKANG sports tires with 90% tread<br />
* 2 NANKANG semi sports tires with 45% tread<br />
* Painted black LX-i rims<br />
<br />
'''Interior:'''<br />
<br />
* LX shift boot shift knob shift boot console and ebrake console<br />
* pro car parts aluminum bezel<br />
* Center Console painted black<br />
* speaker grill painted black<br />
* NO RADIO<br />
* Pioneer 100 watt 2waysup front<br />
* Rockford Fosgate punch in back<br />
* walmart sub<br />
<br />
'''Exterior:'''<br />
<br />
* New white paint job<br />
* Bumpers painted flat black<br />
* 3geez sticker<br />
* Honda Sticker<br />
* Socalcivic sticker lol<br />
<br />
'''Coming Soon:'''<br />
<br />
* tint tail lights<br />
* replace bumper lights<br />
* replace fender<br />
* real sub and amp along with new deck and 4 speakers<br />
* and much more</div>Frantikhttp://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=User:Civicaccordhonda&diff=2030User:Civicaccordhonda2007-09-14T03:48:47Z<p>Frantik: </p>
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<div>[[Image:Photoshoot_009_%28Small%29.jpg|thumb|right|500px]]<br />
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<br />
'''1988 Honda Accord LX-i 5speed Sedan'''<br />
never ending project<br />
'''Engine Specifications:<br />
'''<br />
* Stock A20A3 Engine<br />
<br />
'''Engine Misc.:'''<br />
<br />
* Intega Cold Air Intake<br />
* removed A/C<br />
* removed P/S<br />
* Bosch Premium Spark plug wires<br />
* NGK PLUGS<br />
<br />
'''Turbocharger & Induction:'''<br />
<br />
* N/A<br />
'''Fuel & Tuning:'''<br />
<br />
* N/A<br />
<br />
'''Exhaust:'''<br />
<br />
* 89 accord coupe muffler fitted to sedan axil back<br />
<br />
'''Drivetrain:'''<br />
<br />
* 5 Speed<br />
* Stage 2 clutch<br />
<br />
'''Weight reduction & transfer:'''<br />
<br />
* N/A<br />
<br />
'''Suspension, wheels & tires:'''<br />
<br />
* shocks and springs need to be replaced<br />
* 2 NANKANG spots tires with 90% tread<br />
* 2 NANKANG semi sports tires with 45% tread<br />
* Painted black LX-i rims<br />
<br />
'''Interior:'''<br />
<br />
* LX shift boot shift knob shift boot console and ebrake console<br />
* pro car parts aluminum bezel<br />
* Center Console painted black<br />
* speker grill painted black<br />
* NO RADIO<br />
* Pionerr 100 watt 2waysup front<br />
* Rockford Fosgate punch in back<br />
* walmart sub<br />
<br />
'''Exterior:'''<br />
<br />
* New white paint job<br />
* Bumpers painted flat black<br />
* 3geez sticker<br />
* Honda Sticker<br />
* Socalcivic sticker lol<br />
<br />
'''Coming Soon:'''<br />
<br />
* tint tail lights<br />
* replace bumper lights<br />
* replace fender<br />
* real sub and amp along with new deck and 4 speakers<br />
* and much more</div>Frantikhttp://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=User:Civicaccordhonda&diff=2029User:Civicaccordhonda2007-09-14T03:48:14Z<p>Frantik: </p>
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<div>[[Image:Photoshoot_009_%28Small%29.jpg|thumb|right]]<br />
<br />
<br />
'''1988 Honda Accord LX-i 5speed Sedan'''<br />
never ending project<br />
'''Engine Specifications:<br />
'''<br />
* Stock A20A3 Engine<br />
<br />
'''Engine Misc.:'''<br />
<br />
* Intega Cold Air Intake<br />
* removed A/C<br />
* removed P/S<br />
* Bosch Premium Spark plug wires<br />
* NGK PLUGS<br />
<br />
'''Turbocharger & Induction:'''<br />
<br />
* N/A<br />
'''Fuel & Tuning:'''<br />
<br />
* N/A<br />
<br />
'''Exhaust:'''<br />
<br />
* 89 accord coupe muffler fitted to sedan axil back<br />
<br />
'''Drivetrain:'''<br />
<br />
* 5 Speed<br />
* Stage 2 clutch<br />
<br />
'''Weight reduction & transfer:'''<br />
<br />
* N/A<br />
<br />
'''Suspension, wheels & tires:'''<br />
<br />
* shocks and springs need to be replaced<br />
* 2 NANKANG spots tires with 90% tread<br />
* 2 NANKANG semi sports tires with 45% tread<br />
* Painted black LX-i rims<br />
<br />
'''Interior:'''<br />
<br />
* LX shift boot shift knob shift boot console and ebrake console<br />
* pro car parts aluminum bezel<br />
* Center Console painted black<br />
* speker grill painted black<br />
* NO RADIO<br />
* Pionerr 100 watt 2waysup front<br />
* Rockford Fosgate punch in back<br />
* walmart sub<br />
<br />
'''Exterior:'''<br />
<br />
* New white paint job<br />
* Bumpers painted flat black<br />
* 3geez sticker<br />
* Honda Sticker<br />
* Socalcivic sticker lol<br />
<br />
'''Coming Soon:'''<br />
<br />
* tint tail lights<br />
* replace bumper lights<br />
* replace fender<br />
* real sub and amp along with new deck and 4 speakers<br />
* and much more</div>Frantikhttp://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=User:Civicaccordhonda&diff=2024User:Civicaccordhonda2007-09-14T01:56:02Z<p>Frantik: </p>
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<div>1988 Honda Accord LX-i 5speed Sedan<br />
never ending project<br />
Engine Specifications:<br />
<br />
* Stock A20A3 Engine<br />
<br />
Engine Misc.:<br />
<br />
* Intega Cold Air Intake<br />
* removed A/C<br />
* removed P/S<br />
* Bosch Premium Spark plug wires<br />
* NGK PLUGS<br />
<br />
Turbocharger & Induction:<br />
<br />
* N/A<br />
<br />
Fuel & Tuning:<br />
<br />
* N/A<br />
<br />
Exhaust:<br />
<br />
* 89 accord coupe muffler fitted to sedan axil back<br />
<br />
Drivetrain:<br />
<br />
* 5 Speed<br />
* Stage 2 clutch<br />
<br />
Weight reduction & transfer:<br />
<br />
* N/A<br />
<br />
Suspension, wheels & tires:<br />
<br />
* shocks and springs need to be replaced<br />
* 2 NANKANG spots tires with 90% tread<br />
* 2 NANKANG semi sports tires with 45% tread<br />
* Painted black LX-i rims<br />
<br />
Interior:<br />
<br />
* LX shift boot shift knob shift boot console and ebrake console<br />
* pro car parts aluminum bezel<br />
* Center Console painted black<br />
* speker grill painted black<br />
* NO RADIO<br />
* Pionerr 100 watt 2waysup front<br />
* Rockford Fosgate punch in back<br />
* walmart sub<br />
<br />
Exterior:<br />
<br />
* New white paint job<br />
* Bumpers painted flat black<br />
* 3geez sticker<br />
* Honda Sticker<br />
* Socalcivic sticker lol<br />
<br />
Coming Soon:<br />
<br />
* tint tail lights<br />
* replace bumper lights<br />
* replace fender<br />
* real sub and amp along with new deck and 4 speakers<br />
* and much more</div>Frantikhttp://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=Phoenix_Red&diff=2021Phoenix Red2007-09-13T02:39:23Z<p>Frantik: </p>
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<div>Color code: R-51<br />
<br />
== Examples ==<br />
<gallery><br />
Image:R-51.jpg<br />
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</gallery><br />
== See Also ==<br />
* [[Available colors]]</div>Frantikhttp://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=Navajo_Red_Metallic_Clearcoat&diff=2020Navajo Red Metallic Clearcoat2007-09-13T02:39:13Z<p>Frantik: </p>
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<div>Color code: R-70M<br />
<br />
== Examples ==<br />
<gallery><br />
Image:R-70m.jpg<br />
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</gallery><br />
== See Also ==<br />
* [[Available colors]]</div>Frantikhttp://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=File:R-70m.jpg&diff=2019File:R-70m.jpg2007-09-13T02:38:20Z<p>Frantik: </p>
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<div>Color code: BG-23M<br />
<br />
== Examples ==<br />
<gallery><br />
Image:BG-23m.jpg<br />
<br />
</gallery><br />
== See Also ==<br />
* [[Available colors]]</div>Frantikhttp://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=File:BG-23m.jpg&diff=2016File:BG-23m.jpg2007-09-12T22:08:37Z<p>Frantik: </p>
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<div>This article is intended to summarize the suspension upgrade options available as of 2007 for the third generation Accord. Unfortunately 3geez were never well supported by the aftermarket, and time only increases the rarity of many suspension parts. Lets take a look at what is available by component type.<br />
<br />
= Shocks =<br />
<br />
Shocks control the up and down movement of the car in conjunction with the springs. Ideally the shocks should be able to control the springs, otherwise excessive bounce is the result.<br />
<br />
=== Tokico HP (blue) ===<br />
* Claimed to be approximately 10% stiffer than stock.<br />
* Widely used by members of the 3geez community.<br />
* Most commonly paired with Neuspeed of H&R springs.<br />
* Not recommended for drops lower than ~1.5" and/or significantly stiff spring rates.<br />
* Can easily be found on eBay for a little over $200 for a complete set brand new. <br />
<br />
=== KYB GR2 ===<br />
* Claimed to be approximately 10% stiffer than stock. <br />
* User experience has suggested they may not be as stiff as Tokico and may be only a stock replacement.<br />
* Not recommended for drops lower than ~1.5" and/or significantly stiff spring rates.<br />
<br />
=== Bilstein ===<br />
* Shocks come from the factory at stock stiffness.<br />
* Can be revalved by Bilstein to any specification. Cost is about $350 a pair for the shocks, revalving and shipping.<br />
* Once revalved can handle most drop heights and spring rates.<br />
* Generally felt to be an acceptable solution for extreme drop heights and stiff spring rates.<br />
* Not widely used due to cost of revalving and lack of adjustability.<br />
<br />
=== Koni Special (red) ===<br />
* High quality adjustable-compression shocks.<br />
* Out of production and generally very difficult to find for sale even in used condition.<br />
* Can handle most drop heights and spring rates.<br />
* Widely felt to be the best bolt-on shock available.<br />
* Usage is limited mostly due to lack of availability.<br />
* Can be extensively modified by Koni at great cost - in the 100s of dollars per shock range (not including the shocks themselves). Services they will perform include:<br />
** Revalving<br />
** Shortening<br />
** Adding external compression adjustability.<br />
** Adding rebound adjustability (external as well)<br />
* Shocks sent to Koni for external adjustability modifications come back as "Koni Yellows"<br />
<br />
=== Retrofitted Solutions ===<br />
* Shocks from Civic years 1988-90 will fit with some modifications.<br />
* Shocks from Accord years 1990-93 will fit with some modifications.<br />
* Due to difficulty these options are not widely used. <br />
==== D2 Shock with integrated coilovers ====<br />
* Legend_master has installed a mixed set of D2 shocks and springs combination coilovers, using the fronts from a Civic and the rears from a 4th gen accord.<br />
* Cost was in the ballpark of $250 per wheel.<br />
<br />
= Springs = <br />
Due to limited availability of powerful shocks, most users chose to go with a 1.5" drop or less that is not significantly stiffer than stock. Neuspeed or H&R springs are the favorite among those using Tokico shocks.<br />
<br />
{| class="linedbox"<br />
! Brand !! Drop height !! Difference from stock stiffness (front/rear)<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Tokico=====<br />
|| 1" || 66% / 63%<br />
<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Suspension Techiques=====<br />
|| 1"|| 62% / 54%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Eibach Prokit=====<br />
|| 1"+ || 44% / -17%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Neuspeed / H&R=====<br />
|| 1.5" || 26% / 41% <br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Eibach Sportline=====<br />
|| 1.5"+ || 62% / -32%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====B&G=====<br />
|| 1.6" || 66% / 205%<br />
<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Progress=====<br />
|| 2" || 70% / 205%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Speed tech=====<br />
|| 2" || 73% / 196%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Sprint=====<br />
|| 2.25" || 66% / 192%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Ground Control=====<br />
|| adjustable || 61% / 214%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Dropzone coilovers=====<br />
|| adjustable || 213% / 300%<br />
|}<br />
<br />
= Camber Correction =<br />
Camber -- or the vertical the tilt of the wheels -- may need to be adjusted when lowering ride heights.<br />
There are various aftermarket camber kits available to correct camber.<br />
<br />
=== Prelude adjustable control arms ===<br />
* Front upper control arms from a second generation Prelude can be easily retrofitted for use with the third generation Accord.<br />
* Can be an inexpensive alternative to aftermarket front camber kits.<br />
<br />
= Sway bars =<br />
Sway bars act as springs which help control body roll. Even slightly larger bars can have a significant impact on handling.<br />
<br />
Third generation Accords come stock with a sway bar in the front. Higher end models have a larger front sway bar and an additional rear sway bar. <br />
<br />
{| class="linedbox"<br />
! colspan="2" |Stock sway bay sizes<br />
|-<br />
! colspan="2" |Front<br />
|-<br />
||86-87 || 20mm (approx 13/16”)<br />
|-<br />
||88-89 || 22mm (approx 7/8")<br />
|-<br />
! colspan="2" | Rear:<br />
|-<br />
||86-89 carb|| none<br />
|-<br />
||86-87 fuel injected|| 12mm (approx 15/32")<br />
|-<br />
||88-89 fuel injected|| 13mm (approx 1/2")<br />
|}<br />
<br />
=== Suspension Techniques ===<br />
* Front is 24mm, rear is 16mm.<br />
* Largest front sway bar available.<br />
* Includes polyurethane bushings.<br />
<br />
=== Addco ===<br />
* Believed to be out of production, though may be available.<br />
* Front is 22mm (same as stock on 88-89), rear is 18mm.<br />
* Largest rear sway bar available.<br />
* Includes polyurethane bushings.<br />
* Rear bars do not work with disk brakes.<br />
<br />
=== Vigor rear sway bar ===<br />
* The rear sway bar from an Acura Vigor 92-95 can be fitted on a 3gee with minimal difficulty. <br />
* Rear bar is 16mm.<br />
* Can be an inexpensive alternative to aftermarket sway bars.<br />
<br />
= Upper strut tower bars =<br />
Due to the placement of the air box, carburetted models may have difficulty installing a front upper strut bar.<br />
<br />
=== DC ===<br />
* DC is the only company which made bolt-on strut tower bars for the third generation Accord. <br />
* No longer in production.<br />
<br />
=== Arospeed - WARNING: Does not fit 3geez ===<br />
* Arospeed sells a strutbar which is labeled as fitting third generation Accords. <br />
* This is an error and these bars will only bolt onto a fourth generation Accord. <br />
* Arospeed is aware of the issue but continues to attempt to sell the bars on eBay and their website. '''Avoid'''<br />
<br />
=== Custom solutions ===<br />
Various other strut bars, especially the 4th generation bar has been rumored to fit with some modifications. <br />
<br />
==== Justin's bars ====<br />
* User Justin86 occasionally makes his custom sets of strut bars and tie bars.<br />
<br />
= Lower tie bars =<br />
=== Justin's bars===<br />
* User Justin86 occasionally makes custom lower tie bars sets. <br />
* These are the only known sets which have been produced for the third generation Accord.<br />
<br />
[[Category: How To]]</div>Frantikhttp://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=How_to_upgrade_your_suspension&diff=1995How to upgrade your suspension2007-08-26T06:31:49Z<p>Frantik: /* Sway bars */</p>
<hr />
<div>This article is intended to summarize the suspension upgrade options available as of 2007 for the third generation Accord. Unfortunately 3geez were never well supported by the aftermarket, and time only increases the rarity of many suspension parts. Lets take a look at what is available by component type.<br />
<br />
= Shocks =<br />
<br />
Shocks control the up and down movement of the car in conjunction with the springs. Ideally the shocks should be able to control the springs, otherwise excessive bounce is the result.<br />
<br />
=== Tokico HP (blue) ===<br />
* Claimed to be approximately 10% stiffer than stock.<br />
* Widely used by members of the 3geez community.<br />
* Most commonly paired with Neuspeed of H&R springs.<br />
* Not recommended for drops lower than ~1.5" and/or significantly stiff spring rates.<br />
* Can easily be found on eBay for a little over $200 for a complete set brand new. <br />
<br />
=== KYB GR2 ===<br />
* Claimed to be approximately 10% stiffer than stock. <br />
* User experience has suggested they may not be as stiff as Tokico and may be only a stock replacement.<br />
* Not recommended for drops lower than ~1.5" and/or significantly stiff spring rates.<br />
<br />
=== Bilstein ===<br />
* Shocks come from the factory at stock stiffness.<br />
* Can be revalved by Bilstein to any specification. Cost is about $350 a pair for the shocks, revalving and shipping.<br />
* Once revalved can handle most drop heights and spring rates.<br />
* Generally felt to be an acceptable solution for extreme drop heights and stiff spring rates.<br />
* Not widely used due to cost of revalving and lack of adjustability.<br />
<br />
=== Koni Special (red) ===<br />
* High quality adjustable compression shocks.<br />
* Out of production and generally very difficult to find for sale even in used condition.<br />
* Can handle most drop heights and spring rates.<br />
* Widely felt to be the best bolt-on shock available.<br />
* Usage is limited mostly due to lack of availability.<br />
<br />
=== Retrofitted Solutions ===<br />
* Shocks from Civic years 1988-90 will fit with some modifications.<br />
* Shocks from Accord years 1990-93 will fit with some modifications.<br />
* Due to difficulty these options are not widely used. <br />
==== D2 Shock with integrated coilovers ====<br />
* Legend_master has installed a mixed set of D2 shocks and springs combination coilovers, using the fronts from a Civic and the rears from a 4th gen accord.<br />
* Cost was in the ballpark of $250 per wheel.<br />
<br />
= Springs = <br />
Due to limited availability of powerful shocks, most users chose to go with a 1.5" drop or less that is not significantly stiffer than stock. Neuspeed or H&R springs are the favorite among those using Tokico shocks.<br />
<br />
{| class="linedbox"<br />
! Brand !! Drop height !! Difference from stock stiffness (front/rear)<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Tokico=====<br />
|| 1" || 66% / 63%<br />
<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Suspension Techiques=====<br />
|| 1"|| 62% / 54%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Eibach Prokit=====<br />
|| 1"+ || 44% / -17%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Neuspeed / H&R=====<br />
|| 1.5" || 26% / 41% <br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Eibach Sportline=====<br />
|| 1.5"+ || 62% / -32%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====B&G=====<br />
|| 1.6" || 66% / 205%<br />
<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Progress=====<br />
|| 2" || 70% / 205%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Speed tech=====<br />
|| 2" || 73% / 196%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Sprint=====<br />
|| 2.25" || 66% / 192%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Ground Control=====<br />
|| adjustable || 61% / 214%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Dropzone coilovers=====<br />
|| adjustable || 213% / 300%<br />
|}<br />
<br />
= Camber Correction =<br />
Camber -- or the vertical the tilt of the wheels -- may need to be adjusted when lowering ride heights.<br />
There are various aftermarket camber kits available to correct camber.<br />
<br />
=== Prelude adjustable control arms ===<br />
* Front upper control arms from a second generation Prelude can be easily retrofitted for use with the third generation Accord.<br />
* Can be an inexpensive alternative to aftermarket front camber kits.<br />
<br />
= Sway bars =<br />
Sway bars act as springs which help control body roll. Even slightly larger bars can have a significant impact on handling.<br />
<br />
Third generation Accords come stock with a sway bar in the front. Higher end models have a larger front sway bar and an additional rear sway bar. <br />
<br />
{| class="linedbox"<br />
! colspan="2" |Stock sway bay sizes<br />
|-<br />
! colspan="2" |Front<br />
|-<br />
||86-87 || 20mm (approx 13/16”)<br />
|-<br />
||88-89 || 22mm (approx 7/8")<br />
|-<br />
! colspan="2" | Rear:<br />
|-<br />
||86-89 carb|| none<br />
|-<br />
||86-87 fuel injected|| 12mm (approx 15/32")<br />
|-<br />
||88-89 fuel injected|| 13mm (approx 1/2")<br />
|}<br />
<br />
=== Suspension Techniques ===<br />
* Front is 24mm, rear is 16mm.<br />
* Largest front sway bar available.<br />
* Includes polyurethane bushings.<br />
<br />
=== Addco ===<br />
* Believed to be out of production, though may be available.<br />
* Front is 22mm (same as stock on 88-89), rear is 18mm.<br />
* Largest rear sway bar available.<br />
* Includes polyurethane bushings.<br />
* Rear bars do not work with disk brakes.<br />
<br />
=== Vigor rear sway bar ===<br />
* The rear sway bar from an Acura Vigor 92-95 can be fitted on a 3gee with minimal difficulty. <br />
* Rear bar is 16mm.<br />
* Can be an inexpensive alternative to aftermarket sway bars.<br />
<br />
= Upper strut tower bars =<br />
Due to the placement of the air box, carburetted models may have difficulty installing a front upper strut bar.<br />
<br />
=== DC ===<br />
* DC is the only company which made bolt-on strut tower bars for the third generation Accord. <br />
* No longer in production.<br />
<br />
=== Arospeed - WARNING: Does not fit 3geez ===<br />
* Arospeed sells a strutbar which is labeled as fitting third generation Accords. <br />
* This is an error and these bars will only bolt onto a fourth generation Accord. <br />
* Arospeed is aware of the issue but continues to attempt to sell the bars on eBay and their website. '''Avoid'''<br />
<br />
=== Custom solutions ===<br />
Various other strut bars, especially the 4th generation bar has been rumored to fit with some modifications. <br />
<br />
==== Justin's bars ====<br />
* User Justin86 occasionally makes his custom sets of strut bars and tie bars.<br />
<br />
= Lower tie bars =<br />
=== Justin's bars===<br />
* User Justin86 occasionally makes custom lower tie bars sets. <br />
* These are the only known sets which have been produced for the third generation Accord.<br />
<br />
[[Category: How To]]</div>Frantikhttp://3geez.wiki-tv.com/w/index.php?title=How_to_upgrade_your_suspension&diff=1994How to upgrade your suspension2007-08-26T05:30:30Z<p>Frantik: </p>
<hr />
<div>This article is intended to summarize the suspension upgrade options available as of 2007 for the third generation Accord. Unfortunately 3geez were never well supported by the aftermarket, and time only increases the rarity of many suspension parts. Lets take a look at what is available by component type.<br />
<br />
= Shocks =<br />
<br />
Shocks control the up and down movement of the car in conjunction with the springs. Ideally the shocks should be able to control the springs, otherwise excessive bounce is the result.<br />
<br />
=== Tokico HP (blue) ===<br />
* Claimed to be approximately 10% stiffer than stock.<br />
* Widely used by members of the 3geez community.<br />
* Most commonly paired with Neuspeed of H&R springs.<br />
* Not recommended for drops lower than ~1.5" and/or significantly stiff spring rates.<br />
* Can easily be found on eBay for a little over $200 for a complete set brand new. <br />
<br />
=== KYB GR2 ===<br />
* Claimed to be approximately 10% stiffer than stock. <br />
* User experience has suggested they may not be as stiff as Tokico and may be only a stock replacement.<br />
* Not recommended for drops lower than ~1.5" and/or significantly stiff spring rates.<br />
<br />
=== Bilstein ===<br />
* Shocks come from the factory at stock stiffness.<br />
* Can be revalved by Bilstein to any specification. Cost is about $350 a pair for the shocks, revalving and shipping.<br />
* Once revalved can handle most drop heights and spring rates.<br />
* Generally felt to be an acceptable solution for extreme drop heights and stiff spring rates.<br />
* Not widely used due to cost of revalving and lack of adjustability.<br />
<br />
=== Koni Special (red) ===<br />
* High quality adjustable compression shocks.<br />
* Out of production and generally very difficult to find for sale even in used condition.<br />
* Can handle most drop heights and spring rates.<br />
* Widely felt to be the best bolt-on shock available.<br />
* Usage is limited mostly due to lack of availability.<br />
<br />
=== Retrofitted Solutions ===<br />
* Shocks from Civic years 1988-90 will fit with some modifications.<br />
* Shocks from Accord years 1990-93 will fit with some modifications.<br />
* Due to difficulty these options are not widely used. <br />
==== D2 Shock with integrated coilovers ====<br />
* Legend_master has installed a mixed set of D2 shocks and springs combination coilovers, using the fronts from a Civic and the rears from a 4th gen accord.<br />
* Cost was in the ballpark of $250 per wheel.<br />
<br />
= Springs = <br />
Due to limited availability of powerful shocks, most users chose to go with a 1.5" drop or less that is not significantly stiffer than stock. Neuspeed or H&R springs are the favorite among those using Tokico shocks.<br />
<br />
{| class="linedbox"<br />
! Brand !! Drop height !! Difference from stock stiffness (front/rear)<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Tokico=====<br />
|| 1" || 66% / 63%<br />
<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Suspension Techiques=====<br />
|| 1"|| 62% / 54%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Eibach Prokit=====<br />
|| 1"+ || 44% / -17%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Neuspeed / H&R=====<br />
|| 1.5" || 26% / 41% <br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Eibach Sportline=====<br />
|| 1.5"+ || 62% / -32%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====B&G=====<br />
|| 1.6" || 66% / 205%<br />
<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Progress=====<br />
|| 2" || 70% / 205%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Speed tech=====<br />
|| 2" || 73% / 196%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Sprint=====<br />
|| 2.25" || 66% / 192%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Ground Control=====<br />
|| adjustable || 61% / 214%<br />
|-<br />
||<br />
=====Dropzone coilovers=====<br />
|| adjustable || 213% / 300%<br />
|}<br />
<br />
= Camber Correction =<br />
Camber -- or the vertical the tilt of the wheels -- may need to be adjusted when lowering ride heights.<br />
There are various aftermarket camber kits available to correct camber.<br />
<br />
=== Prelude adjustable control arms ===<br />
* Front upper control arms from a second generation Prelude can be easily retrofitted for use with the third generation Accord.<br />
* Can be an inexpensive alternative to aftermarket front camber kits.<br />
<br />
= Sway bars =<br />
Sway bars act as springs which help control body roll. Even slightly larger bars can have a significant impact on handling.<br />
<br />
Third generation Accords come stock with a sway bar in the front. Higher end models have a larger front sway bar and an additional rear sway bar. <br />
<br />
{| class="linedbox"<br />
! colspan="2" |Stock sway bay sizes<br />
|-<br />
! colspan="2" |Front<br />
|-<br />
||86-87 || 20mm (approx 13/16”)<br />
|-<br />
||88-89 || 22mm (approx 7/8")<br />
|-<br />
! colspan="2" | Rear:<br />
|-<br />
||86-87 carb|| none<br />
|-<br />
||86-87 fuel injected|| 12mm (approx 15/32")<br />
|-<br />
||88-89 carb|| none<br />
|-<br />
||88-89 fuel injected|| 13mm (approx 1/2")<br />
|}<br />
<br />
=== Suspension Techniques ===<br />
* Front is 24mm, rear is 16mm.<br />
* Largest front sway bar available.<br />
* Includes polyurethane bushings.<br />
<br />
=== Addco ===<br />
* Believed to be out of production, though may be available.<br />
* Front is 22mm (same as stock on 88-89), rear is 18mm.<br />
* Largest rear sway bar available.<br />
* Includes polyurethane bushings.<br />
* Rear bars do not work with disk brakes.<br />
<br />
=== Vigor rear sway bar ===<br />
* The rear sway bar from an Acura Vigor 92-95 can be fitted on a 3gee with minimal difficulty. <br />
* Rear bar is 16mm.<br />
* Can be an inexpensive alternative to aftermarket sway bars.<br />
<br />
= Upper strut tower bars =<br />
Due to the placement of the air box, carburetted models may have difficulty installing a front upper strut bar.<br />
<br />
=== DC ===<br />
* DC is the only company which made bolt-on strut tower bars for the third generation Accord. <br />
* No longer in production.<br />
<br />
=== Arospeed - WARNING: Does not fit 3geez ===<br />
* Arospeed sells a strutbar which is labeled as fitting third generation Accords. <br />
* This is an error and these bars will only bolt onto a fourth generation Accord. <br />
* Arospeed is aware of the issue but continues to attempt to sell the bars on eBay and their website. '''Avoid'''<br />
<br />
=== Custom solutions ===<br />
Various other strut bars, especially the 4th generation bar has been rumored to fit with some modifications. <br />
<br />
==== Justin's bars ====<br />
* User Justin86 occasionally makes his custom sets of strut bars and tie bars.<br />
<br />
= Lower tie bars =<br />
=== Justin's bars===<br />
* User Justin86 occasionally makes custom lower tie bars sets. <br />
* These are the only known sets which have been produced for the third generation Accord.<br />
<br />
[[Category: How To]]</div>Frantik